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Live Interview with Adnan Oktar by Hesham Tillawi on Republic Broadcasting Network (Texas, Usa) (December 19, 2009)
Aralık 2009
PRESENTER: As promised, in the first hour we will be speaking with the Turkish thinker and philosopher Adnan Oktar, also known as Harun Yahya. And we want to give his web site, so you can visit it and see all the work that Mr. Harun Yahya has done. His website is ; www.harunyahya.com, that is: h-a-r-u-n-y-a-h-y-a.com, harunyahya.com. Now, we are going to go to Turkey as a matter of fact and speak with Adnan Oktar. I believe this is how we are going to work with this; we will be speaking with Adnan Oktar, but we will have someone; Mr. Adnan Oktar will be speaking in Turkish and we will have instant translation for what he is saying. So let’s go to Turkey with Adnan Oktar. Mr. Adnan welcome to the program.
ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you
PRESENTER: Now I want to... Mr. Adnan Oktar not very long ago, you had some rabbis who came from Israel and visited you in Turkey. I just wanted to find out exactly, you know, what was that meeting all about? And what did you all accomplish after this meeting with the rabbis who came from Israel? Can you tell us what went on in that meeting?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Jews are people who believe in one Allah, in paradise and hell, in God’s Allah’s angels and the prophets of the past. So we have a union of belief here. There are differences, of course, but I feel love and respect for them because we have a brotherhood and union of belief in all those respects on which we are agreed and united. I pray to God Allah that we might act together and successfully oppose irreligion and atheism and all the oppression and anarchy in the world.
PRESENTER: OK, and just to let you know we also have Marc Glan who is co-host on the program with us, he will also have some questions to ask Mr. Adnan Oktar. But before we go to Marc, let me ask Adnan, in 2000 you published a book about Palestine and attracted the attention of Muslims worldwide to the Palestine issue. Now, what is your... and then of course the problem is not just Palestine. There are many areas where there are some troubles, like East Turkestan, Kashmir, Chechnya and Djibouti, you know there are a lot of areas. What is your motive behind such work?
ADNAN OKTAR: I do not want Christians, or Muslims or our Jewish brothers to suffer pain or hardship. Since I am opposed to all forms of repression I am also against the oppression there. I have striven by using scientific methods, with the marvels of the Qur’an and all my knowledge, and that struggle is continuing still.
PRESENTER: What do you think the best solution to the problem in Palestine is; you know, what is the best solution for the Palestinians once and for all to become a free people?
ADNAN OKTAR: The best solution is the establishment of the Turkish-Islamic Union, the establishment of full security for Israel within the love of the Turkish-Islamic Union, the establishment of full security for Palestine and for all Islamic countries, Armenia included, to live together in freedom, plenty, peace and feelings of brotherhood.
PRESENTER: Does that mean bringing back the Ottoman Empire? Is that what the Turkish-Islamic Union is?
ADNAN OKTAR: No. The Ottoman Empire is something completely different. Every state will remain independent within its own national structure, but these states will also be bound to one another in full solidarity, brotherhood, friendship and love. They will notify one another of all their needs. The system will be based on generosity, warmth and helpfulness.
PRESENTER: A couple of days ago Iran invaded Iraq and actually took control of an oil field there. Do you think this is the beginning of an Iranian Middle East problem that is going to increase here? Are we going to see Iran taking more of an active role in the Middle East? And where would that fit in this Turkish-Islamic Union? Is that going to be a problem for this Union?
ADNAN OKTAR: No, no. There are minor disputes between many Islamic countries. That has happened before. These are things that will happen prior to Hazrat Mahdi (as). It has been narrated that Muslims will fall out with each other in this way before the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as), that there will be fighting and such conflicts between them. For which reason these are all temporary things. They will also be completely resolved with the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as). And that is a delightful event that will take place within the next 10 years. It will be visible to all. Also, Iran has denied the reports it entered Iraq. The report is a doubtful one. In my view, the fact that Iran has denied it casts doubt on its accuracy.
PRESENTER: OK, very good. Let’s bring Marc Glan in. Marc has some questions for Mr. Adnan Oktar. Marc?
MARC: Yes, Mr. Oktar, you said that Christians and Muslims and Jews can live together in peace in the region. However the problem is that the rabbis and religious authorities in Israel, some of the most powerful rabbis in the religious party, preach and practice in the form of Monarchism. That is completely alien to Christianity and Islam. They preach the supremacy of the Jewish people, and the supremacy of this Zionist state. And so how can you say that the three religions can live and co-exist peacefully, when you have one of these groups practicing a form of racism and supremacism?
ADNAN OKTAR: The Messiah awaited by Israel is the same as the Mahdi awaited by Muslims. He will unite the whole world in belief in one Allah. In his day, the Jews will also live in freedom by their own religion. Christians will be free to live according to their own faith. And Muslims will live by the religion in a peaceful, content and happy manner. We can see from the Torah that the coming of the Messiah is imminent. In the same way we can see that Hazrat Mahdi (as) has come from the hadith.
PRESENTER: Do you think that Osama Bin Ladin is still alive?
ADNAN OKTAR: In my view, he is one of the fantasy actors in this film. I do not believe there is any such person. They organize people who have undergone such Darwinist materialist education and get them to perform various acts of terror in order to depict Muslims as terrorists and anarchists. These activities are under the control of foreign intelligence agencies. I think they used Osama bin Ladin. I do not think any such person exists. Otherwise, it would have been easy enough for them to find him.
PRESENTER: Very good, we are going to take a break very quickly and we will be right back....
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to current issues, the radio show, coming to you from the Republic Broadcasting Network. This afternoon, we are speaking with Adnan Oktar, also known as Harun Yahya, from Istanbul, Turkey. And we are discussing many many subjects that Adnan has written about or talked about in his lectures, or in one of his interviews, books or his writings. If you don’t believe that Osama Bin Ladin exists, and as you put it, is a character out of a movie, if that is the case, then, who actually committed the crime on September 11?
ADNAN OKTAR: Darwinists, materialist and former communists carry out actions and pretend to be Muslims. That used to go on in Syria and Iraq and Palestine. Communists underwent a Darwinist education in schools in America, Britain and France. Then they spread these ideas when they returned home. That explains the huge increase in communists who espoused Stalinist-Leninist thinking, adopted the guerrilla tactics of Ho Chi Minh, who delighted in bloodshed but whose identity documents described them as Muslims. They are using them now. It is the masons directing them.
PRESENTER: Okay, Marc. Marc, are you there?
MARC: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. Mr. Oktar, the United States right now is at war with Iraq and Afghanistan. And on the horizon, it looks as if we will be going to war again with Pakistan and Iran. It is obvious that the West is at war with Islam. Now, what is it about Islam, that makes it a target for destruction by the United States and Israel?
ADNAN OKTAR: They took some evangelical Christians brothers of ours into the masonic lodges. Freemasonry taught them a false belief there. It told them that the Mahdi would spill blood and slaughter people. They thus caused the growth of beliefs that would lead to a dividing of the ways between Christians and Muslims. For example, they taught them that Musims are the army of the dajjal, the anti-Christ. But this was a snare laid by Darwinists and materialists. It was a plan to set Christians and Muslims at odds with one another for communists, Darwinists, materialists and atheists to rule the world. They used that plan very effectively at first. Thanks to it, they oppressed both Muslims and Christians. But then the plan was thwarted. We have entered the age of the Mahdi. Evangelical Christians and Muslims will unite to eliminate irreligion and atheism, insha’Allah. They will also collaborate and cooperate with the Jews, and they will demolish this idea of the anti-Christ, the Darwinist and materialist philosophy in the world, insha’Allah. This has already begun, and is growing fast
PRESENTER: Now, when you say that the freemasons have actually created this problem between Christians and Muslims, freemasons mainly controlled by Jews... Are you saying that the Jews created this problem between Muslims and Christians?
ADNAN OKTAR: The idea it is controlled by the Jews is untrue. No devout Jew would ever do such a thing. The atheists have it under their control. Devout Jews want to be the beloved servants of Allah. That is why they regard Muslims as the B’nai Noah. As people who abide by the faith of the Prophet Noah (as). They regard them as people on the true path. They regard them as believers. Anger against Christians and Muslims is unthinkable. It is also unthinkable for our Christian brothers. The Bible wants us to love our fellow man. In addition, Muslims are people who love the Prophet Jesus (as) and Hazrat Maryam. They believe in the coming of the Prophet Jesus (as). But the masons are trying to use satanic traps to set Christians, Jews and Muslims against one another. They used to make people irreligious and atheists using such a ridiculous theory as Darwinism. But Hazrat Mahdi (as) has thwarted that plan. The system of Hazrat Mahdi (as) has thwarted it. It has demolished it, and it is collapsing even more by the day.
PRESENTER: Now he keeps talking about Darwinism when he talks about problems in the world and problems perpetrated like 09.11 or problems between Christians and Muslims. What does Darwinism have to do with the political situations that we have in the world?
ADNAN OKTAR: Darwinism is something that tells people to fight, that society will progress as a result of conflict. That is why Leninism and Marxism adopted the theory of Darwinism as it isand why they are stepping up their terror, out of a failure to build a Marxist world and in order to attract people to Marxism and atheism. They are still engaged in these activities. But they call it Christian terror, or Islamic terror or Jewish terror. No Muslim, Christian or Jew would have anything to do with terror. Because all three faiths are based on love and compassion.
PRESENTER: Mr. Oktar, do you believe in the... I know you wrote a book about the Holocaust, do you believe that 6 million Jews actually died or were killed during the Holocaust? And what do you think of this Holocaust that has been going on for the last 61 years perpetrated by the same people who were saved from this so-called Holocaust, that which the Israeli Jews are perpetrating against the Palestinians? So that is two questions. Do you believe in the 6 million figure, that 6 million died? And what do you think about the same people actually perpetrating a Holocaust against the Palestinians?
ADNAN OKTAR: The reason why Hitler perpetrated the Holocaust was his links to satan. Hitler was also a mason. Satan’s aim is to eliminate the line of the prophets, which means the Jews. For that reason, people with heretical ideas aimed at annihilating the Jews have appeared in many places. They have set about slaughtering those innocent people en masse. But this will no longer be possible in the End Times, insha’Allah. The Jews will live in peace and at ease in their own country and abroad. These satanic plots and events took place at the beginning of the End Times, to herald the End Times. But mankind will now see we have come to the end of this, insha’Allah. By Allah’s leave, Hazrat Mahdi (as) will bring it to the finest conclusion.
PRESENTER: I notice that you blame a lot of things on satan. I mean why are we blaming him? I mean it is human beings actually committing all these atrocities against each other. Why are we blaming satan so much?
ADNAN OKTAR: These are people who hold satanic ideas. Satan influences them. But at the end of the day it is people who do these things. But satanized people.
PRESENTER: So do you believe that satan... I mean he did say that Hitler was in direct communication with satan, do you believe that actually people do have a kind of communication with satan? And what is this line? How do they get their orders from satan?
ADNAN OKTAR: Hitler was a member of a masonic lodge. Masons state that quite openly. I have also described it in talking about freemasonry. The masonic links to satan are well-known. The entire system is based on that.
PRESENTER: Ok very good. Let’s go on very quickly...
MARC: I want to ask a question now. Mr Oktar, you said that Judaism is ... that all three religions practice peace and preach peace. But two weeks ago, several rabbis published a book in Israel that permitted the killing of non-Jews, even babies, even killing the children of a political leader, if in any way it would help the Jewish people. So how can you say, Sir, that Judaism or the religion of the Jews practices and preaches peace when you read their book, and they preach war. Even the Old Testament preaches war and talks about killing innocent people, women and children. How can you say that this is a religion of peace?
ADNAN OKTAR: People like that appear all the time. What matters is the truly devout people in Israel. The Sanhedrin are highly rational people. Very genuine and religious. You can obtain detailed information if you ask them. People and marginal ideas like these appear all the time. One should not overestimate them.
PRESENTER: Very good. Mr Oktar, I just wanted to thank you very much for coming on the program. It has been a pleasure having you on the program. Thank you, Sir, for staying up late and for being with us today.
ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you. I love you all. Insha’Allah we will meet again.
PRESENTER: As promised, in the first hour we will be speaking with the Turkish thinker and philosopher Adnan Oktar, also known as Harun Yahya. And we want to give his web site, so you can visit it and see all the work that Mr. Harun Yahya has done. His website is ; 
