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Interview with Mr. Adnan Oktar by Global Post - USA (October, 2009)
October 2009
JOHN DYRE: My name is John Dyre and I'm writing for a publication called Global Post, which is based in Boston, Massachusetts and it's an internet based publication with connections with maybe 20 newspapers in the United States like a wire service.
ADNAN OKTAR: Excellent.
JOHN DYRE: And I also teach journalism at the American University in Bulgaria.
ADNAN OKTAR: Most excellent, masha’Allah.
JOHN DYRE: So thanks for meeting me and I'm fascinated to talk to you.
ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you. You do me a great honor.
JOHN DYRE: Great. First of all let me say this. I've read many stories of interviews with you. And what I'd prefer to do is not write a story about meeting you and the process of getting to you, which is described in many many stories. But instead I'd like to sort of go right into some substantive issues that I think someone like you would have something interesting to say about.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. In the United States there is a lot of attention given to creationists. And one of the divisions that often times is described when creationists discuss is the division between faith and reason. Meaning some people in the United States seem to say that some facts like God created all species, is something that they believe in as a matter of faith, whereas others would say that discussions of the origin of species need to be based on reason, which is represented through science. So how do you think about that division, which in the United States is now taken up a lot of attention? It seems like for example many people said that people who supported George Bush believed in faith, whereas who are more liberal believed in reason. Talk about that division a little bit because that to me is an interesting topic that someone like you probably is an authority on.
ADNAN OKTAR: A huge trick has been perpetrated across the world on the subject of Darwinism. People have literally been bewitched, or hypnotized. Darwinism is clearly a lie. Belief in Creation, with its 250 million pieces of evidence, is a crushing reality. But belief in evolution is a pagan philosophy and religion without a single piece of evidence. They do not have a single transitional fossil. I said I would give 10 trillion Turkish liras if they could bring me a single transitional fossil. If they want, we can go to a public notary and I can ratify such a document. They have no documentation and no evidence. And they have no knowledge on the subject. It is impossible for a protein to form by coincidence. It is a great miracle that such a disgrace should still persist, a miracle from Allah.
JOHN DYRE: How much money?
OKTAR BABUNA: 7 million dollars. 10 trillion Turkish Liras. It is about 7 million dollars.
JOHN DYRE: But I guess that does not answer the question on faith and reason. A scientist would say everything you just described was based on faith. And you are saying that actually it is based on reason that the fossil record does not work. In that sense, what's interesting to me is your take on evolution and Darwinism is very different on American creationism. You attack the science with science. What is the difference? How would you describe the difference between American creationism and the creationism you discuss?
ADNAN OKTAR: American creationism is a defeated idea. It is a very old idea, but one that has lost right from the outset, because they have nothing scientific to say about the age of the Earth. The conclusion has come out before the debate even begins, and they have lost. But the Qur’an makes science an obligation. It makes it an obligation to research Creation. It makes it an obligation to see the evidence and to travel the world identifying it. That is Allah’s command. When we obey this command of Allah’s we encounter these 250 million fossils and the fact that proteins cannot come into being coincidentally and that Creation is a manifest truth. But I think that in the months and years ahead, creationists in America will draw close to Allah with this more realistic perspective, that they will admit the existence, oneness and unitary nature of Allah and return to the original, true form of the Injil.
JOHN DYRE: They don't follow the original Bible now?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course the Injil has been corrupted. Although the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) espoused the oneness of Allah, although he prayed to Allah and although the Injil clearly refers to the oneness of Allah, they still produced this belief in the Trinity. They made a huge, huge mistake. This is blight on the Christian world. That is why young Americans are not turning to Christianity and why they do not have faith. They find it difficult to be Christians because this conflicts with reason and logic and is untrue. But Christianity would be much stronger today if it included a belief in the One Allah. In that case all young Americans might be Christians.
JOHN DYRE: So do you have a background as a scientist?
ADNAN OKTAR: My scientific education… I studied at the Academy, at the Academy of Fine Arts. We had classes in philosophy at that time, but I studied at the Philosophy Department, at the Philosophy Department of Istanbul University. But I did not take any classes in paleontology, archeology, physics or chemistry. I have no such training.
JOHN DYRE: So if I were to talk to a scientist or a majority of scientists who I might quote for this story, they will say that what you're saying is false and etc. Fine... You agree that they'd say that I'm sure. Why would I want to believe you as opposed to them? What is it about their thoughts that should leave the sort of skeptical laymen to think about what you are saying and take it seriously? Does that make sense, that question to you? Why take you seriously as opposed to say a scientist who might refute what you're saying? What is the reason why someone should believe what you're saying given that if you just put you against a scientist, without anything else, why is your message is something that's positive for people? Why would it be positive for anyone to understand if I had to make a choice as someone frankly does not know which one is necessarily correct?
ADNAN OKTAR: You can ask any child or any old person, “Creation or Darwinism?” And just about everybody have the intelligence, reason and capacity to understand this. Even someone working in the forests in the middle of Siberia knows about this. Because if there are 250 million fossils, that prove Creation and have never changed, then even a 7-year-old child will know that Creation is true. If there is not a single transitional fossil, the matter is over and done with. There can be no more doubt. It is like wondering whether the Earth is round or flat. We say the Earth is round, while it is as if these other people are still saying it is flat. It is like denying an obvious scientific fact.
JOHN DYRE: Let's move to another point. Why today are there so many authors, much respected people at least in the US and Britain, who are writing about atheism? It is troubling to me as someone who is not particularly religious at all that people are writing books, there is Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book that was more or less saying there is no God (surely Allah is beyond this). Richard Dawkins writes about how there is a fallacy about God (surely Allah is beyond this). It's interesting to me why are so many people writing these books saying there is no God (surely Allah is beyond this)? It strikes me as troubling in some sense.
ADNAN OKTAR: These people are generally affiliated to a cult called Freemasonry. This is an ancient faith of that cult. This religion of Freemasonry has even been around in ancient Sumerian and Egyptian times. The satanic, masonic idea that the universe was created by coincidence, that living things came into being by coincidence, has always been around in an organized form, has dominated the world, and some 90% of the world’s population have fallen under the influence of that belief. Islam only ruled the world in the time of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh), and in the time of Dhu’lQarnayn (pbuh). Apart from that, atheism has generally dominated the world. Such an idea, or an idea in which religion is weak, has dominated. There have been brief periods of strengthening in the time of our Prophet (saas), of the Prophets. There have been times of Islamic dominion, when the deen was strong, in the time of the Prophet David (pbuh) or of other Prophets. But there have also been times when the deen was weakened for the most part And this was organized by Freemasonry. But this is also in people’s destiny because religious devotion would mean little in the absence of irreligiousness. There has to be irreligiousness for devout people to stand out. In the same way that a diamond disappears if thrown into a pile of sand, but a piece of black velvet will stand out, or a diamond will stand out against a background of black velvet. In the same way, Allah creates atheists especially so that the value of devout believers can be appreciated. In other words, they are also under the control of Alah. Darwin was an atheist under the control of Allah. Dawkins is an atheist under the control of Allah. They can do nothing apart from what Allah says.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. Let's keep going. Talk about your call to rebuild Solomon's Temple. This is an interesting subject. You are calling for a, I read the transcript in the Israeli radio and it is very interesting because many Muslims would think this would be very controversial but you are calling to rebuild the temple and in fact to have it be a center of a sort for three religions, the three Abrahamic religions; Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Chat about that a little bit because it strikes me that is something that many Muslims would be against.
ADNAN OKTAR: It is impossible to be against this within Islamic belief. Neither can one imagine a Christian or Jew being against it. That is quite illogical. The Temple of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) is praised in the Qur’an and is a glorious edifice. It is also praised in the Torah, but it is also a holy site in Christianity. It is therefore amazing that it should not have been rebuilt before now. It is also a miracle. But the time has clearly come now, and the Temple must be rebuilt at once. There is very good and suitable land there, land on which the Temple can easily be built. Of course the Dome and the Rock and the al-Aqsa Mosque will remain in all their glory. But, insha’Allah, we will also build the lovely Temple of Solomon (pbuh) there, and we will complete this in a very short space of time, by Allah's leave. There were temples in the times of other Prophets, places that were since torn down, and places where they used to worship and it is vitally important that these be restored. Insha’Allah, we will do that, too.
JOHN DYRE: And for what purpose exactly?
ADNAN OKTAR: The coming of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is imminent. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is already here. We are in the End Times, and that is a blessing. It is extraordinary that a place of worship mentioned in the Qur’an should not now exist. Of course it will be an excellent thing to rebuild that beauty, to return to the beauties of the past. There is a great need for that. This need must be met right away. In the same way that if one’s father’s house falls down one immediately wants to rebuild it and return to those former times, to how things were during one’s childhood. It is a feeling like that. Insha’Allah, we will experience that lovely feeling.
JOHN DYRE: Who has appeared?
OKTAR BABUNA: The Mahdi (pbuh), Mahdi of Islam.
JOHN DYRE: That's the Messiah (pbuh)?
OKTAR BABUNA: No, Mahdi. The Messiah is Jesus (pbuh).
JOHN DYRE: So, what is Mahdi then?
ADNAN OKTAR: Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will come in the End Times and, together with the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), will cause Islam to rule the world.
JOHN DYRE: How do you preview the appearance of the Mahdi (pbuh)? How do you know this?
ADNAN OKTAR: We can see it from the hadiths. There are the portents. Oktay can list those for you.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. Just a sign or two. What's a sign or two? We don't need to go through all the signs, what is a few of the signs. Examples of the signs.
JOHN DYRE: It does not have to be each one, maybe just a couple.
OKTAR BABUNA: Okay. These are stated in the hadiths of our Prophet (saav). Stopping the flow of the Euphrates for example that happaned in 1975 because of Keban dam was built. The occupation of Afghanistan stated in the hadiths and happened in 1979. Iran - Iraq war that happened in 1980 which is stated in the hadiths. Smoke and fire covers the sky, one of the largest oil tankers of the world Independenta exploded in Istanbul in 1979. Exactly the way it is described in the hadiths. Eclipses of the moon and the sun, 15 days apart in the month of Ramadan. And this happened in 1981 and 1982. Two following years sun and moon ecplises 15 days apart in the month of Ramadan.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. That's enough, that's enough. Because I can't possibly, not to be disrespectful, I can't possibly use all the examples.
JOHN DYRE: I read a piece involving you that mentions US Congressman and some US creationists. Who are some of the Congressman whom you've had contact with and who are some of the creationists in the United States that you do have contact regularly?
ADNAN OKTAR: We have connections with a place called the Creation Research Institute. We speak with various people from there.
JOHN DYRE: How about the Congressmen?
ADNAN OKTAR: There are some people from the Congress, but I cannot remember their names at the moment, so I do not know. But my colleagues did used to speak to them, years ago. But that was some 10 years ago.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. And the Jewish community, which Rabbis from the Sanhedrin was it?
ADNAN OKTAR: There is Abrahamson and who else? There is Froman and other people will be coming in the days ahead.
JOHN DYRE: So here are some questions for you that arise from the various other stories that I've read about you. One is all the stories say that it is unclear where you obtain financing to produce these really quite beautiful, amazingly produced books. So where is the financing come for these books if they are given away for free? You sent them to thousands of people. This book would be very expensive in the US if I were to go to a bookshop and buy it. And yet it seems one can obtain it very easily. So where does the financing come for this project?
ADNAN OKTAR: The publisher company supplies the financing for these. They print the books and make a profit, thus making revenue for themselves and for publishing books. My publisher makes revenue in the same way as all other publishers in the world, in the same way the publisher of Dawkins’ books does; the same logic. On the subject of Dawkins, let me once again challenge him to a debate through you. He says he will not debate with me because I am untrained in science. But Darwin never received any training either; he had no biological training. He had no training in the academic sense. Today Darwin is literally like a pagan prophet, a false pagan prophet of of Dawkins. So he goes off and argues with middle school children, Christian priests and rabbis. They have no biological training, but he debates at length with them. If he is genuine, let him come here and debate. Even just for half an hour. I will bring all the TV channels here. But he knows he will lose for sure, so he declines any such debate.
I promise we will offer him a grand welcome. We will put him up in the finest hotel and if there is anywhere in Istanbul he wants to see, we will arrange it. All we need is just half an hour or an hour of his time.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. So but another piece that attacks the Atlas of Creation says there is an image that is actually a lure from a fish. You certainly have read this. What's your answer to that? Is that true? Is that a lie? If I get the Atlas of Creation, can I find the fish? I don't know where it is here, that they talk about.
ADNAN OKTAR: It was a lure I prepared for Dawkins. Dawkins was snared on it. I did it on purpose. I knew it would attract attention to the book. Dawkins was snared by it, and thanks to that fish, the whole world became acquainted with the book. My book is now one of the best-selling in the world. Many people buy it just to see that particular section. They read it and see that Darwinism is utter nonsense. Think of a small fish wriggling on a hook. Dawkins has swallowed a hook as well, and it is sticking out of his cheek, and in that sense he has done us a huge service.
I also use plastic frogs now, in the new edition of the book. Let us see what comes of that. Let’s see if they jump on the frogs’ backs and try to ride away on them.
JOHN DYRE: Another. What's going on with your legal issues? Because there is a, in one of the magazines I read it said that in October this, and the month is ending, Turkish Supreme Court was supposed to decide on a convition of some sort, something involving, having a business... I forget the exact quote, it was a crime organisation. What's the status of that legal battle?
JOHN DYRE: Because you had numerous legal issues. People suing you and you suing, you stopped Dawkin's website for example and had a newspaper website stop for libel. Sort of you have been very active being litigated against and litigating against people.
ADNAN OKTAR: The prosecutor in the case said that the file contains no evidence against me. He said there was not one piece of evidence against the defendants. Secondly, he said that since the statements were taken under police duress and in the absence of a lawyer, they are inadmissible as evidence. Third, he said the court had already acquitted some of my colleagues on the same charges, using the same files and evidence, and that since we were in the same position, the court should acquit us, as well. But the court did not, and added on an extra 1-year sentence, thus increasing the sentence. Of course, we cannot know why this was done. But of course I respect the court ruling.
JOHN DYRE: So what is the status? Where are we at right now? What are we waiting for? We are waiting for a decision of some sort from whom?
ADNAN OKTAR: We are awaiting the Supreme Court ruling. The police who tortured us are currently on trial and facing sentences of more than 2000 years. The court did not wait for the outvome of that trial, and that is grounds for overturning the ruling according to the Supreme Court General Criminal Board. Under normal circumstances, proceedings would wait for the court to determine whether or not torture had been employed. There is a forensic medicine report saying that 11 of our colleagues were tortured. These 11 people were beaten really badly. There is a forensic medicine report to that effect. But the court still went ahead and ruled without waiting, but that is grounds for overturning the ruling at the Supreme Court General Criminal Board. Of course the decision lies with the court, we cannot know.
JOHN DYRE: So right now what is the Supreme Court deciding?
OKTAR BABUNA: Supreme Court, this is a cause for cancellation.
JOHN DYRE: Supreme Court is the highest court in Turkey? Is that the term for the highest court in Turkey, the Supreme Court?
OKTAR BABUNA: The Chamber of Appeals actually.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. So it is not the highest court? Supreme Court?
OKTAR BABUNA: This is not the one. The Chamber of Appeals.
JOHN DYRE: Okay.
OKTAR BABUNA: Supreme Court of Appeals actually.
JOHN DYRE: Which court is making the decision now? The Supreme Court or the Chamber of Appeals? Which one?
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ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, they will make the decision.
JOHN DYRE: So the highest court and it is deciding on what issue exactly?
ADNAN OKTAR: Whether to confirm or overtrun the sentence.
ADNAN OKTAR: Wheter or not to overturn the ruling.
JOHN DYRE: What was the verdict of the lower court? That you were convicted for running a criminal organisation?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, and was sentenced to 3 years.
JOHN DYRE: And that was last year that conviction was?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.
JOHN DYRE: And you are saying that the people who testified against you to lead to that conviction, did so under police brutality? And so you are going to the higher court?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, there was no lawyer with us. The police crippled 11 of us, and there is a forensic medicine report about that.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. We seem to be jumping back and forth. But I had actually a whole list and so we are talking about different things at the same time. Similarly, there is a story where it said you were diagnosed with schizophrenia, later in that story, it said that the government at the time imprisoned you in the mental institution and it striked me that it was to be frank not a straight way to describe you being diagnosed with schizophrenia. It striked me that schizophrenia that you were supposedly diagnosed with was politically motivated.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, true.
ADNAN OKTAR: Everyone knew I was not mentally ill. Eventually the military hospital issued a report saying I was complete healthy in mind and body. That was Turkey’s most advanced military hospital. In addition, the highest forensic medicine board also issued a report saying I was healthy in mind and body. But I was still held among mental patients for 10 months. They killed 7 people in the time I was there, right alongside me. Sometimes they did not know that people had died, they just remained there under the blankets, for example. It was a terrible, nightmarish kind of place. Everywhere was filthy. And even doctors coming there for examinations would faint from the horror of it. This is described on detail in that book. That was the kind of ward I was detained in.
JOHN DYRE: What year was this?
ADNAN OKTAR: 1986.
JOHN DYRE: In Bulgaria they have similar terrible institutions like this.
JOHN DYRE: In 1986 that happened. And that happened because you had ties to an Islamic party and that is ‘86 right? ‘96 or ‘86?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, 1986.
JOHN DYRE: ‘86 right? And that happened because you had ties to an Islamic political party that was then outlawed, now sort of transformed itself into the current, into a party, that currently is in government in Turkey?
ADNAN OKTAR: No, Turgut Özal was in power at the time. He was a rightist and religiously devout.
JOHN DYRE: And he became president right?
OKTAR BABUNA: He was the president at that time.
JOHN DYRE: Was a rightist or righteous?
OKTAR BABUNA: Rightist.
JOHN DYRE: And he was religious?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. But then there was the coup of some sort, this military coup or whatever. I'm wondering why did you get attacked to be called schizophrenic, what was the story that led to that happening? Because you were allied with one group and then some other group won and they had a political motivation to call you schizophrenic? Do you understand the question?
ADNAN OKTAR: I regard the Masons as putting pressure on the government. I had better not say the Masons and the government, but it was a Masonic plot.
The alleged Ergenekon Organization. It was one of the active measures of the alleged Ergenekon organization, the trial of which is taking place in Turkey at the moment.
JOHN DYRE: In 1986, who was in charge of Turkey? That's what I really want to know. Who was exactly in charge of Turkey, because those political people who had the ability to put you into a mental institution?
ADNAN OKTAR: Turgut Özal was in charge as prime minister.
JOHN DYRE: Özal? Even though he was religious? He was religious?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.
JOHN DYRE: Ergenekon?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, the secret organization within the state.
JOHN DYRE: Interesting. Also someone who did not like you, to make it sort of basic?
ADNAN OKTAR: At that time?
OKTAR BABUNA: Evet.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, of course.
JOHN DYRE: And what are your links to the current government now? Because they have more of an Islamic bench.
ADNAN OKTAR: There is no question of right-of-center governments watching out for believers. Muslims actually face even greater difficulties in such environments. In the time of Adnan Menderes for example, Said Nursi was badly oppressed and suffered very much. It was in Turgut Özal’s time that I was held in the mental hospital. There is a more moderate climate with Tayyip Erdoğan, but there is no question of us being watched out for. Those who want to keep plotting against me can continue to do so in the present day. Difficulties of all kinds are still persisting.
Plots and traps of all kinds are continuing against me today. Having a right-of-center government has not advantaged me in any way.
JOHN DYRE: Okay. Back to the, and then we are going to start wrapping it up. Back to the issue of the way American creationists operate. It strikes me that you are saying that Islamic creationism needs to think scientifically, needs to work scientifically in order to convince people, in order to show people, reveal people the truth. Whereas US creationism from the start does not even attempt to, reject science in every way. Is that an accurate portrait?
ADNAN OKTAR: True, yes.
JOHN DYRE: Yes. Do you have success in the US there is lots of back and forth with creationists affecting the school system. In Turkey, do you have success in convincing the government to adopt your principles in educational curriculum or do you speak, advise the government about how to proceed with education for example? Because in the US, often times people can vote to put certain people on the school board. I don't know how exactly this works in Turkey but do you advise the government at all in terms to promote your views of creationism?
ADNAN OKTAR: That would seem impossible at the moment due to the Darwinist dictatorship. At the moment, 99% of the world is under the control of the Darwinist dictatorship. So such a thing would be really difficult. But Darwinism has been demolished globally over the internet. I cannot think of any famous professors in Europe that my book has not reached. My Atlas of Creation has reached them all. Darwinism has now been defeated in Europe, and they are trying to prop it up solely out of pride and arrogance. But that will also collapse eventually. This will be the century when Islam rules the world. It is the century of the coming of the Messiah (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). You will see this in 10-20 years. This will show that what I have said is true, and that what I say in the future is true. Dawkins would have said he is a determined Christian were it not for Masonic support. He is childishly playing up because of his Masonic support, and that is why he espouses Darwinism. He would say that he is a convinced Christian were it not for his Masonic support. You can be sure of that.
JOHN DYRE: My question was in the US creationists attempt and often times succeed for better or for worse, to influence the educational system. I'm wondering in Turkey for example do you have influence on the educational system through official channels in terms of curriculums and other sort of means of teaching your version of creationism in schools, in public schools?
ADNAN OKTAR: We have made no such initiative. And I do not think that any such thing will happen through government. This is something that can be done through special activities, over the internet and through civil society organizations. The government is not strong enough.
JOHN DYRE: Did you ever have any ties to any Turkish governments?
ADNAN OKTAR: I have not had any ties to governments, though I have spoken with many junior civil servants. It may be a deputy counselor or a former Member of Parliament. I have spoken with such people. But I have never had talks directly with any senior members of a government. I would in any case avoid such a thing.
JOHN DYRE: Because in this, I'm sure you know this article on the New Humanist, which was very very negative, so negative one is sceptical about it. I quoted a person who deals for religious affairs in the Turkish government, which was saying Darwinism was a lie. So that's why I asked, because it seemed like you had some sort of influence with them. But perhaps this person has his own point of view. I mean I have the story somewhere and the person's name was, I can tell you the name. If I can find it I can tell you in a moment.
ADNAN OKTAR: Eighty million copies of my books have been downloaded worldwide. There is just about nobody in Turkey who has not read my books. And since it is normal for that official to have read then, it is also perfectly normal that his opinions should change.
JOHN DYRE: Yeah. Let me find the actual name. Maybe it's not in here. It's like Mehmet I believe.
JOHN DYRE: Let me see here. The story was very interesting but it was so negative that I was, I mean you know the story, the New Humanist story.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, that is normal since New Humanist is a Masonic journal. It holds Masonic beliefs.
JOHN DYRE: In many senses yes. You've read the story so I just need you to react to the story because it is so negative.
ADNAN OKTAR: Having been defeated scientifically and disgraced across the world, they then resort to defamation. In the same way that people shout and scream and swear when they are in pain, so these people are shouting and swearing from the pain of their defeat, because they have no other alternative. They have nothing left but defemation and insults. This is just the shock of their scientific defeat, and nothing else.
JOHN DYRE: I guess let me think there is one last question. One thing you talk about, this is one thing we didn't discuss. Then we will wrap up. This idea of the Islamic Union, I looked up at the map somewhere. What about that you count in that area, does Israel count in that area, are the Balkans count in that area. Two areas where there is a history of Muslim occupation or Muslim communities in those areas. Should they be part of the Islamic Union, should all that be part of the Islamic Union? That would be very controversial, if you believe let's say parts of the Balkans or Israel should be part of the Islamic Union.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course the Balkans, Israel and Armenia will be in the union. These people, the people who are opposed to me, are very uneasy at the Turkish-Islamic Union. They are really afraid of this aim. The defeat of Darwinism and the ideas about the Turkish-Islamic Union have begun to propel them towards illegalities. They mixed cocaine in with my food, for instance. It was established that cocaine was mixed in with my food by the Forensic Medicine Department and that it was all a trick and I was acquitted of the charge. They said I was mentally ill, and that was also thwarted, as a report was issued saying I was sane. It was alleged that I tried to rape a young girl. I disproved that by showing video films to the court. It was seen to be a false allegation. They are at a loss as to what to do next.
JOHN DYRE: This idea of the Balkans, Israel and Armenia. I'm not sure, I mean someone who has much experience in the Balkans, they don't like the idea of being in an Islamic Union. I'm absolutely sure. What about the people in those places. Israel would not want to be in the Islamic Union. Surely that's a controversial statement.
ADNAN OKTAR: Islamic Union means a system in which love, affection, compassion, justice and democracy prevail, a humane system applied with fervor on the basis of human love. The European Union is one that stresses love, rather than a soulless, mechanical nature. All countries would like to join this union.
This is also a reality that will take place in destiny. It will in any case come about with the coming of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). You can see this in holy texts. The Torah speaks of the coming of the Messiah (pbuh). The Messiah (pbuh) the Torah refers to is Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). The Mahdi (pbuh) referred to in the hadiths is the same as the Messiah (pbuh) in the Torah. It is impossible for mankind to stand against this force. This system spoken of by Allah will certainly come about. We can see that nothing else will happen from the words of the Qur’an, the Torah and the Injil.
JOHN DYRE: And Turkey has a special place in this system?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, Turkey will be the leader.
JOHN DYRE: How so?
JOHN DYRE: That sounds to me like a bit of a revanchist Ottoman revival or not? Is that foolish to think of it in that way?
ADNAN OKTAR: It will be far superior to the Ottoman Empire, more loving and democratic. It is a union that will come about through a spirit of love, peace and brotherhood, rather than weapons. All weapons will be eliminated within this union. There will be disarmament in other words. All the weapons in the world will be done away with. Not a single person’s nose will be made to bleed, and not a single drop of blood will be spilled. That is a characteristic of the Mahdi (pbuh) and the Messiah (pbuh).
We can see from the hadiths that, insha’Allah, the end of the world will come in around 2120. There are many signs and much information that the Judgment Day will happen around then.
The Judgment Day is very close. People need to be warned about this. That information is correct.
People will see that what I have said is true with the coming of the Messiah (pbuh). They will see the Messiah (pbuh) has come in the next 15-20 years. People will then realize that what I have said is true.
